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I do not know what world you live in, but it is clearly a privileged one. I do not know one single person who has ever paid off their mortgage early unless they sold the house, bought a new one and got another 30 year mortgage on the new house. The average American does not have extra money to apply towards principal because they are struggling just to take care of basic life necessities. The mortgage payment is most likely going to go up every single year because of rising insurance costs and tax increases. They are not going to have “extra” money for investing by taking out a predatory 50 year mortgage. They are going to have a bit more money for those basic life necessities which, by the way, are also rising in cost every single year. The 50 year mortgage is not going to help the average American. It is only going to help those who don’t need help - the banks and mortgage holders.

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I'm wondering increasingly how much NYT columns are massaged before they're let out, because I really don't remember anything as far off the mark as what I've been seeing lately here.

The reason there's even discussion about a 50-year mortgage is that [excuse me, I'm shouting for the ear-trumpet] PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD THE MONTHLY ON THE 30-YEARS BECAUSE THE PRICE OF HOUSING IS TOO DAMN HIGH NEXT TO INCOME. If they can't afford that, Peter, the few hundred they "save" is *money they need to live on*. Nondiscretionary. They are not investing that money; they're spending it on cars. Clothes. Heating. You know, living.

People also pay off mortgages because they move, not because they live in a place for even 30 years. The difference between a 30-year and a 50-year, though, is that there's greater chance of their having built some appreciable equity before they move, so that they're not just paying rent to the bank all their lives.

I understand the long-loan appeal. You wouldn't know how to live on my income, but I've got a 20-year, 2.75% loan I took out for home energy efficiency and generation: rooftop solar, more efficient replacements for my end-of-life water heater and furnace. The very low monthly made efficiency and GHG-emission reduction affordable. It pencils out because the interest rate's so low and the drop in my purchased-energy costs is appreciable (my util bill is about $40/mo on average now in a cold continental climate, around a quarter what it was before, inflation-adjusted), and I'd have had needed a loan for at least part of the new equipment anyway, so a long low-interest loan was the best deal going. I am also likely to live in this house for the entire term of the loan.

I really think that before you sit down to write your next column, you should write these things on post-its and put them on your screen:

In America,

- Half of Gen X has nothing saved for retirement. The oldest Xers are nearly 60.

- Gen Xers are already moving in with their children because they can't afford housing. Others are considering buying vans to live in as retirement housing.

- Fewer than half of all adults have enough saved to withstand three months of unemployment.

- Only half of all women have an emergency fund.

- Gen Xers have a median non-mortgage debt of around $26K, around 40% of their median annual income. Millennials have median non-mortgage debt of around $25K on lower salaries, so their load is closer to half their annual income. Most do not make enough money vs COL to chip away appreciably at that debt.

- Only about a quarter of adults are college graduates, rising to closer to half among the youngest adults.

- Only about 15% of adults have graduate degrees of any kind.

- Nearly as many, around 12%, are on SNAP, meaning they are destitute.

- There is persistent hiring, promotion, and wage discrimination against anyone who is not a white man.

When you think of America, your picture should be this: think of the Connor household in Roseanne, but then consider that they're quite well-off because despite the fact that Dan and Roseanne are only high-school graduates, they own a house, they are a two-income household, Dan owns his own trades business and no national franchise has come around to undercut him yet, none of the kids has a disability, and their non-mortgage debt levels are relatively low. In their world, college tuition is also low enough and federal fin aid high enough that it's possible the kids could go to college if they live at home. Jackie's a unionized civil servant and will have a pension. Their flyover town is suffering, but still kicking. Next to today, this is a very solid picture.

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